hi all, im new to this my mum and dad were jw's and ive read the bible for years and have never agreed with the thinking reguarding the socalled anointed for instance in .
isa 65:21 and they shall build houses, and inhabit [them]; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
isa 65:22 they shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree [are] the days of my people, and mine elect (or in the jw's bible chosen ones) shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
His elect cry (sin, a cry for help) both by day (knowing better) and by night. Their sin will not come to no end (labour not in vain) - the Lord will heal them. And when it comes that they work in the vineyard it will be fruitful for them to do so, not for another instead. eg as someone who does evil which causes another to reflect and repent.
paduan
Edited by - a paduan on 29 September 2002 16:48:25
Yeah, what happened. I thought it was supposed to be today. Don't tell me some dub lawyers weren't "waiting on jehovah" or something - God, it makes me shudder to imagine them being in any more control of "truth".
during my watchtower days, from their 'college level education', i had the impression that all street drugs were terribly addictive, as soon as someone did a drug one time, he was hooked.
that drugs reduced people to souless protoplasm.
street drugs are actually classified into two basic groups: .
Strong substances have strong effects. This week I'll be visiting some more astrotravellers in our community to see if they have food in the fridge, and check they aren't a threat to themselves or others - otherwise we have to put em back in the box for some intense type of drug restraint.
Strange thing, how our society just can't handle altered minds. We let people refuse all types of medical treatment, but when it comes to brains - no way - they're teated involuntarily as we deem is required (even an advance health directive is overridden when it comes to mental health). No wonder people hate dubs being so wilfully dead in the head - the human race as a whole just can't accept damaged minds as being ok to do.
paduan
it seems that jws en masse are choosing to marginalise, dismiss and ignore the damning paedophilia issue.
that's the standard tactic when truth penetrates and can't simply be 'babled' over the top of - when recognised it's a bit of an internal shock - pretending is the chosen solution.
an arrogant lie is certainly the way to insist on the direction of your will - it's the shunning that isn't shunning, the religion that isn't religion, the clergy that aren't clergy.............. pretending is an effective escape from reality - with practice, even your soul joins in on the sharade.. paduan
It seems that jws en masse are choosing to marginalise, dismiss and ignore the damning paedophilia issue. Why? That's the standard tactic when truth penetrates and can't simply be 'babled' over the top of - when recognised it's a bit of an internal shock - pretending is the chosen solution. An arrogant lie is certainly the way to insist on the direction of your will - it's the shunning that isn't shunning, the religion that isn't religion, the clergy that aren't clergy.............
Pretending is an effective escape from reality - with practice, even your soul joins in on the sharade.
paduan
now according to the witnesses, people will live for ever in a paradise earth.
i think that most of you knew that already.
now, this is a really selfish idea.
It sure doesn't look very crowded in those idolised pictures of the 'coming countryside' that the wbts puts out - no room for the non-deserving - are any other minds on earth so darkened to truth as that?
People will travel into space - in spite of hindrances like jovyism.
paduan
just what is up with words and their meanings with the jw's?
the other day, i had the occasion to speak with my mom regarding family business.
i brought up the issue of shunning.
Have you ever considered the concept of a new book or pamphlet showing this problem??
Yes, I'm working on an extensive exposure to the problem - got any words?
i can't seem to change my font, size or color!!
i hope you can, oh there it goes!...hehe!!
anyway, i keep reading about why jw's are suppose to shun us, but it always says to shun sinners, adulters, drunkards, etc.......... okay, i sorta get that.
For children, love and engagement is a necessity for physical growth. The psychosomatic effects of engagement are real and known facts. Shunning those who are not fully grown is abuse of children by neglect, and I would imagine that it is against the law in many places.
paduan
before you read the following.
i would like to explain that i in no way hold the jehovah's witness beliefs, so please read the complete thought to fully understand my point.
i looked at all these people that were elders, pioneers, and strong witnesses and figured i did not measure up.
In the parable of the first and last who "laboured", the first inquired after what they thought was more like their fair share. Jesus explained that the kingdom of heaven simply doesn't work like that - it's got nothing to do with what you deserve.
To deserve something is literally an accusation against others (who then don't). That's what the devil is about - it's dark thinking. The way of the world is the way of earning or "fair share" - jw philosophy is an extension and amplification of that darkness of the way of the world - when it comes to armageddon they fear through an "inability to pay" their way - or for the the full blown dark bizarre, the pride that declares "I can pay".
paduan
Edited by - a paduan on 26 September 2002 16:20:21
just what is up with words and their meanings with the jw's?
the other day, i had the occasion to speak with my mom regarding family business.
i brought up the issue of shunning.
Jws have a gamet of words that simply have a different meaning for everyone else, and in truth, a different meaning from the actual word roots. I have thought that this is a very important link in the chain that the org employs - if the words themselves are a lie it's certainly easier to construct bigger ones from them.
I've started a jw to english dictionary, an example would be humble from humus - being 'down to earth', knowing where you're at, neither exagerated nor understated - fair dinkum as aussies would say. Whereas jw meaning for that is 'meek and subservient'. This type of distortion makes it very easy to take people much farther off track. It's not only jws though - but they appear to extend even further to the distortions of western language.
The word you present, "shun" doesn't appear to have a distorted meaning for them, but it is simply a denial of the meaning - such as religion, or clergy.
I'm not sure how to include these 'denial' type words into the dictionary though. Does she indicate that they mean something slightly different? It seems as though this is where the lie becomes too obvious for comfortable ingestion.
paduan
the watchtower society goons, in a power drunken stupor, are once again caught with their pants down, this time exposing their diabolical plan to undermine and exploit natural family love.. audacious, even for the watchtower, the message of the august 2002 kingdom ministry rings loud and clear to the rank and file: emotional blackmail can force your family back to us!
"after hearing a talk at a circuit assembly, a brother and his fleshly sister realized that they needed to make adjustments in the way they treated their mother, who lived elsewhere and who had been disfellowshipped for six years.
immediately after the assembly, the man called his mother, and after assuring her of their love, he explained that they could no longer talk to her unless there were important family matters requiring contact.
Do it too quickly for the sheilds to go up.
Such as "I love God heaps, I really have been praying a lot lately"
Surely a question will come to you about "org", to which you could reply "don't be ridiculous, I'm talking about God"
I suppose what I'm saying is mention God, but not the org. If the org. is mentioned then dismiss it out of hand.
paduan
Edited by - a paduan on 26 September 2002 8:40:7
